Apr 21, 2008

Jeremiah Wright's Sermon: Democrats Distancing Themselves from Truth

I can't say I disagree with anything Rev. Jeremiah Wright is saying in these quotes. Really the only thing I'm iffy about is the AIDS conspiracy. I don't know much about AIDS/HIV so I don't know if I'll every come to the same conclusion as Jeremiah Wright.
Obama and Clinton both have a history with this guy, but are both trying to politically distance their campaigns from him.
"It's as if we took the five dumbest things that I've ever said or you've ever said in our lives and compressed them and put them out there - I think that people's reaction would, understandably, be upset."[14]
-Barack Obama, "ABC's Charles Gibson Talks to Barack Obama" ABC News March 28, 2008.

"..words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialog, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."
-Barack Obama, "On my Faith and My Church" Huffington Post, March 14, 2008.

"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church."
-Barack Obama, "Obama Would Have Left if Wright Stayed".Associated Press, March 28, 2008.

Barack Obama denounced the harshness of Wright's words — not because they were false, he said, but because they did not acknowledge the strides that the U.S. has made in the fight against racism. Obama said his own candidacy shows how far the country has come. (All Things Considered, March 18, 2008)
I think condemning the statements is a mistake, but then again, Democrats seem to be trying to cater to conservatives and do not want to seem too controversial. In my opinion, these topics are only controversial to people who do not study history and/or not directly affected by our government's military decisions. In other words, Democrats are catering to those who are quite possibly some of the most ignorant constituents:

Excerpts from Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermon (in context here):
"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out — did you see him, John? — a white man, he pointed out, ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true — America's chickens are coming home to roost."

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and The Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."

"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness."

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, as long as she pretends to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."

“The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, ‘Let me make myself perfectly clear…’ Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie. The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.”


HereticNYC said...

You are right to credit Rev Wrights comments about HIV/AIDS even though he is mistaken about exactly how the black community is being unfairly targeted with the wrong story. The truth about HIV/AIDS is that the scientific belief is wrong and the fact that blacks score positive twice as often as whites has nothing to do with them behaving differently, and the medications given to all people in AIDS are misdirected and dangerous. The science of HIV AIDS is wrong. The whole story is one of the mistakes in science analyzed at scienceguardian.com.

Maybe Rev Wright senses the injustice and takes up the world conspiracy theories because he knows something is wrong and unjust. He is right, because HIV/AIDS science has been quite wrong for two decades. The idea that it is caused by a virus was rejected at the highest level in the highest journals in 1987 1988. It is the love of funding that keeps it going. Now the blacks are being attacked by this spurious and incorrect science.

See scienceguardian.com for this information and a list of many other sites on this topic.

Jameson in KC said...

"The truth about HIV/AIDS is that the scientific belief is wrong"

"and the fact that blacks score positive twice as often as whites"

"the medications given to all people in AIDS are misdirected and dangerous."

"The science of HIV AIDS is wrong."

You're gonna have to cite some sources other than one website buddy. Point something out, cite some names. You're not convincing everybody with no links, no citation, and you're gonna put yourself in the same crowd as the "climate change skeptics" with your "science has it wrong" comments. I happen to value the scientific community's opinion and I don't see how AIDS is caused by anything other than the HIV virus, so please cite these "highest journals" that have an opposing opinion from 87, 88.. (though I'm surprised they are not still writing about it, as though the scientific process ruled out their skeptical perspectives overtime.)

HereticNYC said...

All the links (over 400) are on Scienceguardian.com, so why list them in a brief heads up Comment? I dont blame you at all for your reaction. The basic problem is that we all assume we are well informed on such a topic, but sadly, even the NYTimes has been a very one sided purveyor of news on this topic, hardly ever mentioning the much attacked but entirely unrefuted reviews in Cancer Research 1987 and Proceedings off the National Academy in 1988, and since, which rejected HIV as a possible let alone probable cause of AIDS. There are 30 books on the topic, also listed.

You have a natural reaction of any intelligent person who values science and established data from reliable peer reviewed journals, but you are under researched, believe me. If you examine the reasoning and evidence, and the people involved, you will be very surprised to find the universal assumption is 100% incredible.

Why this has come about is something you will have to decide for yourself, but it reveals major vulnerabilities in science and society, in terms of the system and its fact checking, and the psychology of people in general, specifically how so many strongly defend conventional wisdom without actually examining it for themslves.
One problem among many is that this kind of information catastrophe is so unusual that naturally we all assume on first hearing of it that it is just another Webnut conspiracy theory.

That is often why respectable people knowledgeable about it hesitate to mention it, another problem in itself. Also, scienceguardian.com is my blog which covers paradigm wars in science, and one doesn't want to be too self promoting. But there is something irresistible about an intelligent person blogging on the topic which makes one speak up.

The chief critic of HIV is Peter Duesberg of Berkeley (duesberg.com) who is a very fine scientist reviled by those he corrects. Most people dont have the time to read his papers listed on his site even though you may find them convincingingly high quality in tone, so that is why I wrote my site in here.


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